If we forgive the leaks on the shaft (I am fighting with that right now) what are some valid technical reasons to ditch the pump? As a side note - how may of the group have seen or own a Nova 1 1/2 horse stationary gas engine that is liquid cooled. Model a ford water pump packing nut tightening. My play cash is focused on getting a Model A running for my wife but this thread has me thinking that a W@t@r P@mp might be a temporary solution to the problem. I have 3 T s and only one has a pump but I wouldn't put one on unless I had a bad radiator and couldn't come up with a new one. No overheating problems and the engine actually warmed up in cold weather. Radiator hose set, red hose as original.
Let me get back to the original question. "Do as I as I do"??? I mean they invented them for some reason even if that reason was allowing people to run damaged restricted flow radiators. I would never have put the waterpumps back on the cars.
Just a large vessel above the head that is filled with water. John O., Literally hundreds of millions of dollars were made producing and selling aftermarket accessories for the Model T. A prime example is the story of George Pepperdine, Western Auto and Pepperdine University...... Well it sounds like some solid logic, as I see it if you have a working radiator and a clean engine you should not need a water pump. It certainly makes sense for the short term when it is nearly impossible to come up with $800 for a new radiator! Radiator cap gasket. And we will send it to you in the mail for free. Yes, the moto meter indicates just a little red at the ever, the engine has run this way since installing the water pump. Hose clamps, original style, set of 6. Model T's were never meant to have water pumps and a proper functioning cooling system on a Model T will never require one. On a long hill during a Knab tour lost over a gallon of coolant on one long hill. That reason was allowing people to run damaged restricted flow radiators). Model a ford water pumpkins. Is this a sign of things to come? When i found a Atwater Kent Dist i asked why and was told when coils were out of adjustment they were expensive to replace and the dist got the timer up out of the dirt/water/mud/and i found a honeycome after market radiator i was told they cooled much better than the first Delong car was a 1915 and with 3 boys the youngest 1906 many many Model T cars, at least two TT trucks, and more than one fordson tractor.
These were Model T people and they used what they had! Highest Price First. Ceramic Seals have a greater resistance to wear which significantly reduces the possibility of leakage & prolongs the life of the pumps. Oh, and an electric fan mounted on the radiator to make sure their car really won't overheat! Ford model a water pump. I am not really looking for any more of the comments about tossing the pump on the wall or in a plastic bag. And you would not be finding Model Ts with water pumps today.
When Henry designed the Model T, he decided to go with the thermosyphon cooling design. To increase the chance my engine will not melt down under certain conditions, I use a water pump. My dad was raised in central CA when model T's were still being made. Where's the controversy? Everything needed to rebuild your water pump housing. I like the Texas T water has a stainless steel shaft/impeller, modern seals/bearings and has not leaked to date. Lang's Old Car Parts.
It works and isn't taking any $ out of his back pocket. It's cheaper than a new radiator, but otherwise has nothing to recommend it. I find it very funny when some Model T owners quote as Scripture doing it only as Henry originally did. So the production score is 2500 with water pumps and about fifteen million without. I've had 2 T's with pumps on them. When I put the '24 Crappy-Lizzhe together in the 90's, I had a pump but no water inlet elbows. I didn't even know then that Ford did not originally use one. Anyone want to discuss the value of HCCT vs ECCT? Model T was in production there were multiple accessories available - including a water pump. And the claim for using a water pump is valid.
Of course if labored, the T engine will generate more heat than the thermo syphon system can struggle to keep up with, especially if the water is low in the radiator. Have we all mellowed? A water pump is good for about ten bucks at Chickasha. And in the end, their wallets were a little lighter, but they got to brag they had the "latest" improvements for their cars. Which has an approximately 2" longer neck.
I've never missed them. Item Number Descending (Z-A 9-0). Our new pump shafts spin on double row ball bearings which extends pump life & decreases frictional heat. Wow, what happened to you guys? The first T I bought had a water pump on it. The pump then worked and on one of our first tours we went into the mountains on a cold morning and when we stopped for a break, I noticed many of the others were standing in front of their radiators to keep warm. It's happy right now. Quick Catalog Order. When I purchased my 25 runabout, it had a water pump on it. I wouldn't put one on my car, but if you want to do it, it's your car; more power to ye. The radiator in my 19 was barely OK with the old motor but is wanting with the new one.
I have an Atlas pump and 160 thermostat on mine, the radiator is marginal at best. A good pump will keep the coolant flowing eliminating "Hot Spots" noted with thermo-barf cooling. So; anyone that'll run a waterpump puts MMO in their fuel tank and crankcase, uses an etimer, would jump at the chance to run Kevlar bands and probably has an AM radio hidden somewhere under the drivers seat cushion. Radiator mounting bolt set, original style. You guys are killing me---. The only way to find out if it's doing anything is to remove it and drive.
Not all water pumps are created equal, some work well while others hinder the flow. Thanks again for the factual information. Nothing has changed except I can use a shorter fan belt now. It overheated right away.
Am I to then believe that the engineers that designed them were "Stupid". Some may remember that there was a time at the race circuits.... there would be an exotic aroma in the air. I do what is working for me. After all my situation on the road may differ from yours so I need to make the choice an educated one. So water pumps did help worn out or poorly maintained Fords. The Model T Parts Specialists.